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2012 MMM Engine Challenge---Budget 318?

 
IQ52 IQ52
Guru | Posts: 860 | Joined: 06/10
Posted: 01/13/11
08:45 AM

With all the past interest in the budget 318 build, and the state of everyone's wallet, has there ever been a better time for a real flat tappet, inexpensive, small block Engine Challenge? Ideas?  

RBolig RBolig
Moderator | Posts: 948 | Joined: 12/03
Posted: 01/13/11
02:10 PM

Icon QuoteIQ52:
With all the past interest in the budget 318 build, and the state of everyone's wallet, has there ever been a better time for a real flat tappet, inexpensive, small block Engine Challenge? Ideas?

Wink  well guys, let's hear your ideas...  
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89Ram150 89Ram150
New User | Posts: 10 | Joined: 01/11
Posted: 01/13/11
03:43 PM

How about see who can get 300hp (decent street engine) out of a pre-magnum 318 with the least amount of money and aftermarket parts.  

Cudadon Cudadon
User | Posts: 204 | Joined: 02/08
Posted: 01/13/11
04:36 PM

Build a 318 that most of us would have to do if that's the engine we had to deal with.  Yes, a pre-magnum with production iron heads (no Mopar Performance after market), 1.88-1.60 valves.  Flat top pistons. Hdy flat tappet cam, any make, no custom grinds.  Dual plane intake, same for all, 600-650 cfm carb, same for all.  Any normal machine work on heads. Zero deck on block OK.  Production crank and rods.

Sounds like what most us would have build for a street engine.

Don  

drmopar drmopar
Guru | Posts: 1445 | Joined: 02/08
Posted: 01/13/11
10:15 PM

How about a 318 flat tappet. Factory heads no other limitations other than 93 octane fuel.
This way alot of the competitors could reuse the equipment they have in the past and would only have to build a short block.  

Ron1973 Ron1973
Enthusiast | Posts: 379 | Joined: 09/10
Posted: 01/14/11
01:44 PM

At the risk of getting shot and THEN hung wouldn't it be very interesting to see what could come of a small and different style engine, one that we really don't here much about, the 273? I imagine someone would pick up MM and look twice at a article/challenge on a engine thats tucked away in a corner somewhere in there shop.
MM had a great build on the 318 in, i believe 2004 August edition. 400 HP on pump gas, its a great read if anyone's interested. Ron  
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89Ram150 89Ram150
New User | Posts: 10 | Joined: 01/11
Posted: 01/14/11
04:13 PM

The 400hp 318 was a great buildup, very inspiring actually. But way out of my price range, and honestly, in a daily driver with $3.00+ gas, a little overkill.  The 318 is the "bellybutton engine" of the Mopar world. I personally just think that while you definitely don't see 273 builds every day, I think the 318 build would benefit and be appreciated by more people. (Yes, I have a 318).  If you have a 273 don't hate me, I'm just sayin...  

marcohotrod340 marcohotrod340
Enthusiast | Posts: 468 | Joined: 09/08
Posted: 01/14/11
04:30 PM

budget 318 is 3.31" stroke stock blocks at 3.91-3.97" only,no custom short strokes or large bore race blocks. and I say allow magnums, with magnums allowed hydraulic rollers only and us old school 318 blocks allowed hydraulic rollers and hydraulic flats and solid flats!! no custom cams, any carb, 1.625" OD headers, any cast intake.  

Ron1973 Ron1973
Enthusiast | Posts: 379 | Joined: 09/10
Posted: 01/14/11
05:59 PM

I do have a 273 89ram, but im also one that has it in the corner of the shop along with a couple b-blocks. I actually have a 318 in my car, slightly built.
And i don't get mad! lol. I just thought id mention it, something different, something that i just cant find all the time in a magazine as the other engine projects.. Ron...  
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Budnicks Budnicks
Guru | Posts: 1497 | Joined: 08/10
Posted: 01/16/11
05:13 PM

The 318ci would be a great platform for the contest. If both the 318ci LA & 5.2ltr Magnum are allowed it would be a great build. There are lots of them out there & cheap. Great little engines. I read somewhere I don't remember where they are the least warrenteed engine on the market (meening least amount of warrenty claims against them). Using both platforms would allow a great comparison for those who believe one or another engine platform LA or Magnum is better. I think the factory style hyd. roller cam in the Magnum or retro fit in the LA should be allowed with a slight penalty or something, afterall that's what the Magnum & late LA engines cam with. Just my 2 cents.  
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.71RedneckStroker_ .71RedneckStroker_
Guru | Posts: 848 | Joined: 11/09
Posted: 01/18/11
01:29 PM

A 300 HP 318 is an easy feat. They were already rated at 230 in stock trim. The addition of some good heads like the 302 or 308 castings with some bigger valves, good bowl work and mild porting, a really good modern grind cam....Hughes comes to mind, and properly chosen induction can net 400 HP. I think a monetary limitation is ok, but I am more interested in running stock, factory cast PRODUCTION pieces. In other words, no "W" series. It would have to have come on a vehicle from the factory. No limitations on things like port work and larger valves, though. I like Doc's flat tappet limitation idea. Perhaps have two catagories. One for LA and one for Magnum. But no mixing and matching. Maybe take a suggestion from everybody. But what the hell do I know?  
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RBolig RBolig
Moderator | Posts: 948 | Joined: 12/03
Posted: 01/19/11
07:38 AM

Don't whip me too hard, but any thoughts on using a 360 as a base for our build?  
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IQ52 IQ52
Guru | Posts: 860 | Joined: 06/10
Posted: 01/19/11
09:08 AM

First off, thanks to everyone who has posted their ideas, even Randy.

Not a problem bringing the 360 up.

Whip nah, remember though, you brought up the Slinky.

So yer thinking about trying to slide away from the "bellybutton" 318 engine to maybe the "left nipple" 360 engine? They ARE about as common as "bellybuttons". You could perhaps get more pros to build a 360 or a "right nipple" 340 engine rather than a 318 "bellybutton".

How well do the forum posters represent the average Mopar community?

I wish a bunch more viewers would respond with their ideas. Cummon people, sign up and post!

Make it any stock stroke small block contest? Limit it to only one block size, 318, 340 or 360?  

Ron1973 Ron1973
Enthusiast | Posts: 379 | Joined: 09/10
Posted: 01/19/11
10:22 AM

I believe the 360 would be an interesting build, what all do you yourself Randy suggest with it? Were just speaking of suggestions so with a 360 build what would you suggest a base 360 and ??? I know what curiosity did to da puddy cat but thought id ask. Ron  
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RBolig RBolig
Moderator | Posts: 948 | Joined: 12/03
Posted: 01/19/11
12:42 PM

I just think we could get more participants if we do a 360 build--or maybe we just say a small block, and let the builders decide what they want to bring.

How about; all engines:
Must be stock stroke
Must use OE heads--heads that came on a production Mopar vehicle
Single 4150 carburetor
Flat-tappet camshaft

Thoughts?????  
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